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will my dad LOSE his job? (a TRADITIONAL IT infrastructure engineer)



My Dad is a traditional, on-prem IT Infrastructure Engineer. He manages everything from VMware to storage to Microsoft Active Directory…..BUT….things are …

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  2. The skills will still be needed, it just now those skills can be sourced to engineers anywhere in the world and for a much lower cost.
    So local engineers in richer Western countries will have to compete with engineers in developing countries that has younger skilled engineers who are willing to work for half the cost. Education and an Internet connection is all that is needed.
    Cloud computing is there to serve the business and save the business money, not just in ownership cost but in HR cost as well.
    It is more Global companies that are migrating to Cloud, but Smaller ones are getting purchased by Larger entities. (I see this a lot in the Legal sector.)

  3. Sadly I've seen a few major companies cut their entire Infrastructure/On Prem teams in half, by migrating away from traditional VM and Hosted App servers to Containers and cloud managed VM's. A few Network positions are now covered by the Vendor. Hopefully most folks are still able to find work.

  4. I'm pretty sure we will be on IPV6 completely before an onsite Engineer is no longer needed. 🙂

  5. This made me feel better. I'm in a similar position where my only lifeline is that the company I work for is slow to embrace new tech. It lets me make that transition at a much more sustainable pace. Luckily, many concepts are transferable from one tech to another tech and many new cloud techs are just new ways of accomplishing the same tasks that was done with traditional tech. With that in mind, we need only focus on the completely new stuff that has no equivalent out there.

  6. I'm an infrastructure engineer like your dad and there are only two reasons why he'd lose his job, the first is he doesn't keep up with emerging technology. Most tech folk know that they have to keep up with whatever is being implemented if we didn't we'd still be talking about the pluses of Token Ring-4. Further thing like programming is not foreign to a lot of older infrastructure people, a lot of us have been around since pre-google and had to learn how to configure and trouble shoot things the hard way often making changes and modification that a modern engineer wouldn't even consider. You learned to program out of necessity because the tools that exist now didn't exist, so if you wanted something you had to write it yourself. Finally, it's a pretty well established fact that the only constant in IT is change and if you've been in the industry for over 30 years like I have you can honestly say you've re-invented yourself professionally multiple time why would the cloud be any different -it's just another tool to put in the tool box.

    The other reason why your dad might lose his job and the more likely reason in my opinion is discrimination, IT is a young persons game, hiring managers look at a 50+ engineer and think he's not going to "fit into our culture" which is code for he's too old when he they should be thinking he's going to add a lot of depth of knowledge to our team and can help mature the younger engineers.

    We'll see what happens, whatever happens it's always interesting.

  7. You are lucky to have such a inspirational father. Let him get rest man and spend his valuable time with your kids and rest of the family. Now it’s your time to take care of your father. Just care him as how he cared you for raising what you are now

  8. the huge thing about this though chuck s that AWS had an outage they are already struggling to do all of this so I do not think we are going to convert to full cloud.

  9. The constant "face in a textbook" is one of the main reasons why I left the IT industry, among others. I make twice as much now than I did working in IT, and not even a fraction of the stress. So glad those days are over.

  10. I don’t think traditional IT is dying, but evolving as always. I think of it as a good place to start to learn your craft and then once you are familiar with it, extend your skill set by adding cloud services. Actually I am making the move over next week from my current company which is very traditional over to another one that uses a mixture of both, but with more emphasis on cloud services.

  11. The TRADITIONAL IT infrastructure engineer in my opinion will not be gone anytime soon especially for giant companies like from where I formerly worked for, who doesn't trust 3rd party giant corporations like Google and Microsoft. The company where I formerly worked would rather setup their own data centers and control everything within them. Even if I as a company who have valuable data, I will never trust the cloud. But if I am just a company who doesn't care about potential risk because my data are not that sensitive (or a big deal) or I just put trust to these giant corporations due to cost then go. It all depends.

  12. Interesting video. On-prem should always have a place for certain industries. When you see oil pipelines get hacked and big companies get ransomed… makes you wonder if you really want all your business in the cloud.

  13. One constant thing with our industry is "Change" for anyone who has been in the business for any length of time should know this. Stay hungry for knowledge strive to learn at least one new thing a day and never say never, it is a very long time. My problem is I want to know it all "Johnny 5 needs more input". Thank you Chuck for your videos and for allowing your dad to grace us with his presence.

  14. I work with governments and their different bodies. Most of them (at least my government) have a very strict no cloud rule. Hosting their own internal environments is a must. But there is definitively jobs for a traditional IT engineer.

  15. Thats your dad?! How old are you guys? he looks like hes only about 15 years older than you Chuck!

  16. As an Infrastructure person who started in MainframesDumb terminalsWAN, then moved into Client-serverWANLAN Microsoft, then MetroGlobal MPLS WAN, then virtualisation (nice job Vmware, but now too expensive). Currently I'm running the Infrastructure in Google AWS space, which is really just a virtual process running inside a large array of Internet systems (sounds like a clustered Mainframe environment does it not ). Each change I have seen the exact same problems crop up e.g. backups Restore time and again. The more they change, the more they stay the same 😉 Don't even get me started on what I think about DevOps DevSecOps.

  17. At Cloudian we are seeing a ~50% repatriation of cloud storage shift back to the traditional data center. This comes when a company loves the idea of "no more servers…" only to realize they are paying much more to "rent" this functionality. A small company can benefit from all-cloud approach to the point they can get economy of scale hosting their own. A medium to large enterprise benefits from "hybrid-cloud" where some workload is hosted in the cloud and some on-premise. Interestingly, as it applies to containers and kubernetes you still need the skills of the traditional IT engineer for the physical layer, if on-prem. Containers makes it easy to shift workload around and is awesome but it is just a layer that still depends on hardware at the end of the day. The older IT engineers, of which I'm in that boat, need to embrace containers and kubernetes since this will be the wave of the future. Heck, even Microsoft couldn't deny this trend and built in linux just to have a containerization story. Medium to large enterprises will constantly evaluate the economnics of each application for hosting in the cloud versus on-prem. As noted, security is whole different angle favoring on-prem. Us old guys are fine…

  18. many cloud environments are a hybrid cloud, but i do think traditional engineers better buckle in because there will be a new wave of young geniuses like myself gunning for your jobs lol

  19. Thank you for this video it has given me a lot to think about how the IT industry is going and you are right it is a bit overwhelming. Not sure where to start with this new wave of technology.

  20. Changing but not dying.
    Some organizations will adopt faster than others. Even once they do the office network and print server, for example, all need to coexist with cloud infrastructure, public or private. Also as you pointed out there is the legality side of it, GDPR, HIPPA, PCIDSS… The liability for a poor choice of cloud service provider is real.
    But I can also promise you the manufacturing and OT side will be very slow to fully migrate if at all. I mean this is the land of "we're still running Win98/2000/XP cause that's the last update for the PLC compiler we ever purchased and if the 30 year old CNC mill ain't broke accounting says we ain't fixing it."

    Not that long ago QRS Music Rolls was still making Player Piano rolls and the line was controlled by an Apple II.

    The FANUC welder bot at the local community college is so old they had to buy and analog to digital converter when they replaced the welding machine with a new unit. It's about 20 years old and still runs beautifully.

  21. In my opinion dev ops will never lose their really functions. Yes you need to adapt but if your in business that has really hard agreement's with customer's you can't just shwich to "cloud" in big "storage centers" like AMZ or GOGL. Privacy first ;p

  22. cloud, ansible, git, etc are tools. tools change over time
    People that have strong fundamentals will be ok.

  23. Great video @NetworkChuck, thanks for the insight; You're blessed to have a great dad; I'm sure he inspired you – And you now inspire others. I think that though the cloud is here to stay, the On-Prem Engrs. just need to adapt how they manage services – e.g. I've been an on-prem guy for close to 20yrs, but now I manage users and devices in Azure AD but still have On-prem AD… eventually we'll move to AAD completely, but the services will still need to be managed, and obviously I'm learning other/new skills in the meantime… #ITNewWorldOrder!

  24. In my 5 year cycle of aws experience, I could have rebuild the on prem datacenter, top to bottom, every 18 months for what I spent on aws. Very costly fad ime

  25. Honestly I don't trust chinese cloud provider XD. The price is big problem. I know cloud is future but, boss don't think.

  26. I went from “traditional” to cloud without missing a beat..
    Basically If you work in IT you love it and you follow the evolution,on your own or in the office..hopefully both

    And !!! Learning new skills makes you even more valuable

  27. I think you will find jobs just like you can still find jobs doing Cobol and Fortran conversions because the new guys wont be learning VMware and such… i'm just now learning …. the trailing edge still and its uses 😛 my company has decided they can save money by being their own cloud.. (big company)

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