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Proxmox on Erying Motherboards! – Testing Hybrid CPUs in Virtual
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“Craft Computing”
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In a recent video, I criticized Intel for their decision to remove Efficiency Cores from their Xeon E-2400 Lineup. BUT, you all pointed out the reason was likely the lack of support for Hybrid CPU architectures in…
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Also, I use Hyper-V and your GPU-P guide to share my gaming PC with my girlfriend. I use a 12900 KF. Never had a problem, but I have also never oversubscribed system resources.
Most people, even those in the IT space don't realize that Intel has a large enough product stack to hypersegment. They may sell several thousand units to a telecom for a single purpose and that company only needs a certain level of performance. Then another tier could be predicted to sell hundreds of thousands of units. That main tier may have slightly defective units that create yet another segment, sold at a discount to another market.
Thus it's difficult to say that a given product is bad or good relative to another form Intel, since sales (generally) represent a balance of price and performance from the buyer's perspective. Hence why we need reviewers and testers who can judge how well something will work for its intended use case.
This was a very interesting video Jeff. Always very interested in the virtualisation topics and learned a lot here !
Since this is a motherboard by a Chinese company, you forgot to include the extra overhead of all their spy chips and spying firmware 🙂
Bang Bang Niner Gang, great vid
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Jeff, I'm with you on your opinion that Intel's move was on the bone-headed side. What they needed to do is offer differing models with and without ECores to fit the needed market sectors properly. You are correct into your original assessment.
@CraftComputing Do those CPU/board combos come in an ITX form factor?
I’ve run p&e cores on proxmox and Unraid without issue. I break them up though, giving the p cores to one vm and e core to docker or a a vm that doesn’t need p cores, ie windows xp. Ran that way for several months until I switched to a dual x99 for Unraid, and 3 erying 11th gen for a proxmox ha cluster.
New opening for the video. Wasn't expecting that.
Ran some tests on a Minisforum MS-01:
Specs: 12900H, 2xTeamGroup 32GB PC5-44800 TED564G5600C46ADC-S01, 2x Teamgroup MP33 NVMe Gen3x4
VMs Server 2022, 8GB RAM
On the 2 x 10 core I ran tests 5 times without issue and received scores of 1211/1288, 1207/1218, 1197/1222, 1051/1067, 1159/1153. On my results the cores report as 2.92GHz.
On the 3 x 6 w/Affinity test I ran it 5 times with results of 726/721/689, 671/671/635, 693/697/657, 657/659/637, 659/653/630. Cores also reported @2.92 GHz in CB R15.
I also ran a batch of 4×4 with no affinity set 5 times, with runs of 474/468/446/570, 458/459/566/434, 460/634/474/482, 488/511/435/454, and 525/467/485/507.
Interesting notes:
I'm also running 8.1.4, but my Kernel Version is Linux 6.5.11-4-pve (2023-11-20T10:19Z), and Manager Version is pve-manager/8.1.4/ec5affc9e41f1d79
My CPU shows up as 20 x 12th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i9-12900H (1 Socket)
The 2×10 and 3×6 tests on your 12900 tests show 1.19GHz, the 4×4 test you did correctly showed 2.92GHz
Moving to the woods and never showing your face in public again is too mild a reaction if you've said something wrong on the internet.
I'm actually curious about one thing, I am not a drinker, so the parts about beer etc at the end, I usually skip and go to the next video, I'm wondering if that hurts your analytics with people doing that or if I"m just an outlier.. great video as always, thanks man
I'm running VMware Workstation on a big.little CPU and it's not great… I'm only using the VM for VPN access so it is manageable, and it doesn't crash, but yeah Workstation has no clue how to schedule the VM properly. I would just stay away from P/E core CPUs for virtualization for now.
I too am having issues with Proxmox, on the MS-01. Lockups, web interface crashing, VNC constantly failing to work.
I purcahsed a Erying 12500H board 13 hours ago (video age 8hours at time of comment) I only plan to use it as an UNRAID NAS / Docker box – HBA card should work in the PCIE slot without too much issue I hope. I have seen some comments of the Engineering Sample ones and or these boards specifically can not do IOMMU passthrough (not an issue for my use case, but something to think about for others?)
The value proposition of these boards even with the ES chips is great for home labbers so glad they are getting some coverage here!
This is why I bought a Ryzen 7840HS.
i5 13500 has been solid in unraid so far Haven't noticed any issues with E and P cores
Cheers Jeff! Enjoying a Coronado Brewing Orange Ave wit. Excellent video, your Erying series really interests me for my homelab cluster i am planning on building, thank you for the upload!
I think you might be using incorrect terminology which is causing the confusion. Based on my research on this, you are not assigning physical cores or threads in Proxmox GUI, you are assigning vCPUs which are actually run as a thread on a physical core or hyperthread.
I doubt that VMware is going to maintain that 45% of the market, Proxmox and Nutanix will be displacing VMware in the cloud and even larger self hosted enterprises due to cost, from the looks of things. If the estimates of a 3x cost increase to keep VMware, people will be bailing out as soon as they can. Seeing alternative use cases like this is a good thing for those looking to jump the VMware ship.
I hope this is sorted out. SME and homelab hypervisor is the most promising use case of big little. I'd love a system with 2P cores and 8 or 16 E cores for containers and light VMs
I’d give a real system a try before you say it doesn’t work well. I use a 13500 on a w680 board and it’s very stable. Worst case scenario just assign cpu affinity that’s what I do and it works great
Ive been very satisfied with my Erying board. I got the cheapest matx one (11th gen) to run as a NAS and some applications and a couple of VMs. Was a little miffed when waiting for shipping as I in the time between buying and getting it kept reading of people who were desperate to get BIOS updated (and also who bricked their boards) to get virtualization working. But I have not had any issues with that. VMs work nicely except for the display output in Truenas tends to hang. Only other issue are fairly toasty VRMs, but that is not too bad with a fan aimed directly at them.
Big/little cores are a bigger problem if their capabilities differ too much.
E.g. a55/a73 aarch64 have problems that qemu may not even start if the initial scheduling is crossing big/little cores. But for Intel cores they are mostly fine.
Thanks for covering the big/little proxmox setup. I've been wary of dropping the cash to try it. Hope to see some future updates around this where you get it to work.
I think Erying has got wind of your videos, what you call a $165 motherboard is now over $400.
lol @ vmware bros and the broadcom price gouging.
I'm curious to see a couple of scenarios:
1. 4 VM each with 1P + 1E core
2. 3 VM with 4P, the 4E cores reserved to proxmox which should be great for containers