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NAS vs. Home Server – What’s the difference?
NAS vs. Home Server – What’s the difference?
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Wolfgang, what and how do you setup grafana? I like to see my system power consumption and electricity costs! What do I need?
No idea where my comment went but here we go again. The NAS pedestal weirdos are cringe. The techtuber builder content is cringe. The line of separation is between home server and home LAB. You can run 2010 era eWaste like I do and expect to not run VMs or Docker containers and that's okay. As long as it's an independent machine with a network connection, enough CPU and memory and DOES THE JOB…It's good enough.
That's all we should care about. My first server was a 233MHz Pentium box with 64MB and a duo of 20GB and 80GB HDDs. It ran everything I needed until obsoleted by a Phenom II X4 and then an FX box which now sits ready as my nuclear option for recording+streaming. It's also the option I will have to pull if my need for hosted media exceeds two HDDs. Some things to think about:
The apps/games you want to host
CPU speed
CPU threading
Memory speed
Total memory
Network speed
Other bandwidth guarantees
Storage speed
Storage capacity
I/O bottlenecks
Redundancy
Every one of these should be an easy YES/NO when deciding on what to build. Storage Server used to be a Windows designation along with Compute Cluster. So what's the lesson here? Server/NAS go BRRRR.
I like your videos, we need more like them. I need a home server that are power efficiency and quite. My home server is on my desk, running proxmox with vm.
Dude!! I have 2 RPI (RPI3 & RPI4) as my "home server" 😅😅
If you want the cheapest possible HomeLab server just use an old Laptop (i would suggest an old ThinkPad from Lenovo). With the built in battery you even have an "UPS" 🤣
Responding to script kiddies nonsense what a waste of time. Linus biggest talent is marketing. If the manufacturers tell him to say something, he does. Fair enough, he makes a living, but for serious tech go elsewhere
This is a discussion of a non existant distinction. A nas serves files, so does a file server. A nas is just a description of a specialized file server, a subcategory if you will.
With modern nas products the distinction has completely blurred.
The people writing those comments really are below script kiddie level and understand nothing.
As to hardware resources, that is totally irrelevant to the discussion. The big day term a professional uses for nas is storage array. It can be network connected, it fiber optic or whatever. It's still just a specialized server. Servers serve things be it files or sites, high end hardware or 10 years old. End of discussion.
That low-power pentium build intrigues me. Did you make a video about that build? Have you ever built a low-power, 10G networking, SAS capable, ceph cluster member? I got my hands on three SuperMicro cases and would like to try to make a power-efficient cluster.
My home server is based around a hand-me-down Intel 4790 and it seems to be running just fine. Ever since I bought my Mac Studio I've wanted to build a small, power efficient home server like the ones you build on your channel. My current workstation is based around a Threadripper 2950x with 64 gigs of ram, but it's in a huge case with fans blasting away so not a good candidate for me. Keep doing what you're doing, your channel is great.
Fantastic video Wolfgang!! Hope you will always have more free time in your hands! Have a great Christmas holiday man!
What is a NAS but a server with purpose?
That depressing hoodie brings back not so happy memories of the DDR.
Preach brother! I couldn't agree with you more. Times have changed…. some people and their terminology haven't quite kept the pace.
Yes, please do a video for storing ,files, videos, home security cam and music files where cloud access is possible just for home users.
Simple definition of a server is a machine that performs a service in the client/server model.
Any machine running a service that a client connects to is – by definition – a server
A NAS is a server – by definition. It runs file services such as SMB that clients connect to for file access.
So now that is clarified – if we want to differentiate, we need to do it based on power and features, rather than naming.
Well said, mate!
Hilarious cameos by the other YouTubers, I recognised 3 of them!
Dude, this 100%. The gate keeping is so strong in this hobby it surprised me a little. Same things with trying Linux, no matter what you do, someone will say that you're doing it wrong
I've built my home server thanks to your high quality videos, so there is no question for me. It's not the hardware but what you do with, that makes a computer a server.
Just because you can run your homelab on raspberrypi/celeron garbage doesn't mean your should. You can grab a mini-pc that uses low power laptop CPUs and an NVME breakout to SAS/SATA adapter with a jonsbo N3. This will give you a low power and performant small home server.
Some people still live in the past. My home setup has various HW. I only have one somewhat beefy system that is my main NAS running TrueNAS Core. It has 16 bays with a Xeom Bronze 3204 CPU. My backup NAS running TrueNAS again is running a Atom SoC style. The I have my main Proxmox system with an AMD 5950X with 64GB of RAM and a small HP micro G3 800 EliteDesk system running Proxmox with various VMs and containers running various services for Home Assistant. Several years ago, I almost bought of of those older server systems and I realized that it was overkill in one sense and a power hog in another. I consume way less power and it what I have meets current needs and plenty of resources to handle future needs. Having IPMI is great, but the boot time for server based MBs is slow. Amazing what you can run on using just a regular motherboard.
You said something about hosting your password manager on there. Do you have a video on how to do that?
until I'm making bank, cheap dell servers on auction from ebay is my only option considering they tend to come with everything apart from power cords, harddrives/ssds and RAM.
I am interested in learning about a system (NAS/server I don't care) that provides a backup service that includes protection against ransomware or network infection. This would require a backup that pulls data, blocks external access and will not permit execution of files. At present, I do this with a 3T HD air gapped on a usb connection. I only connect the drive when I want to make a backup or recover a file. There has to be a better way.
As someone who is looking into the low end budget low energy area, chances are I need both a Server and a NAS, so the fact your videos offer the best of both is exactly what I want!
very off-topic, but where is the hoodie from? its epic
Good video.
NAS is Not A Server.
i follow LTT for entertainment, i follow you for guides. the are not the same
seriously, keep it up not everyone has a pool to warm with a server rack.
Totally agree. It should be about the utility not the specs
To back-up your point, here is a direct quote from Cisco's Networking Basics online course that I've been going through. Those people in the comments could clearly benefit from taking this course.
"Servers are hosts that have software installed which enable them to provide information … to other hosts on the network."
And just to get those people questioning their realities, here's another quote from Cisco:
"It is also possible for one computer to run both client and server software at the same time.".
What's that CPU comparison site?
In all honesty I was all in having my storage, and my services and all in one box. I've since stopped doing that. I have one for storage that runs files as main priority, my arrs stack because I like to keep it close to the storage, and media services. Then have 1-2 boxes for all my VMs. In part I was forced to do this because I went to unraid and hated its virtualisation features, but all that tinkering and taking the whole storage out had several complaints from the household or having to do maintenance work out of hours.
I ran a two home servers in Atom 330 motherboards for many years. The cost of the board with CPU and memory was much cheaper than the power use over a year of the dual Athlon motherboards I'd been given with a 48U rack I have in my office. They rain email, DNS, DHCP, internal chat and network monitoring as well as file sharing. Definitely servers. I often use retired desktop motherboards for my home servers as I don't need the grunt and power use of enterprise kit, and swapping out a failed part is quick, easy and cheap, particularly with Linux being happy to cope with the chipset changes. Even spun up a Linux install on an old Digital Pentium desktop back in the day to run Bind to cover for an RS6000 while waiting for the hardware to be repaired. Nobody noticed a thing.