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How strong is in-lore Warrior Of Light? 「FF14」
How strong is in-lore Warrior Of Light? 「FF14」
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1:11 How strong characters in FF14 generally are?
13:30 How strong is the Warrior Of Light actualy is?
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The entire concept of power levels and who would beat who is silly. unless theres a massive difference in ability in all aspects, it will always come down to situational/narrative demands. Still I doubt we could beat Goku. lol. Well it depends, goku at what point. Goku began relatively weak and became insanely overpowered with training.
Goku.. probably not. lol. I get the meme though. But I'd say the Endwalker WOL is at least as strong as many of the other greatest mortal godslaying warriors in fantasy.
I think WoL alone is around T7. With Azem gem, maybe T5. With Scion, T2 seems reasonable.
I am not sure if WoL is the strongest protagonist as individual in Final Fantasy, but Scions of the seventh dawn should be the most powerful group.
Sure, WoL has beaten so many world-ending god/monster, but we never has the power to do the same thing. Maybe only durability is really out of the world.
P.S.: looked at who else is in T7…Satoru Gojo. Seem fair to me.
is beating Goku now considered the conservative estimate in cross-franchise power scaling?
Not as disgusting as your mo~ That shit killed me.
I dont know this game as I never got around to play FF14 however I wanted to see your points and I enjoyed it, thx for explaining it as well, I do like the arguement as I think it would be a cool “What IF” but I don’t think WoL would be beating Goku any time soon, Even if DB ends rn and never continues, so when goku turned SSj3 he could be said to be at universal as majin buu was the terror of the universe but I think when he turned SSG is when he really took that title, in the manga it was stated when goku fought beerus, their clashes shook the universe itself, on top of that goku have the ability to break the 4th dimension which is time, we know this because of two cases, 1). Instant transmission, speed is relative and at most u can only travel as fast as light, nothing is faster then that, if we can run as fast as light it would take us over 93 billion light years to reach the end of our universe, goku can instantly teleport anywhere without speed, add that on that SSGSSKx10 Goku was able to slip through time im order to fight Hit which strength this, so goku can slip through time and can be faster then light, not to mention have the power to break the universe is insane (However if u notice I didn’t even mention MUI yet lol)
Win or lose, is that Goku would HAVE FUN fighting the Warrior of Light, and that's actually the most important part.
By her own admission, Hydaelyn says that Zodiark was stronger than her and the Sundering was her only recourse to make him manageable and stop him from consuming everyone. You could argue that her ability to divide was her ace in the hole but I'm sure it wasn't the kind of thing she could do in the heat of battle, the "No longer man will have wings to bear him to Paradise" scene always struck me as a more symbolic scene than live recollection. In a direct fight,, at full power, tall, dark and handsy would have triple-back-handed Mom into the ground.
As a Lalafell, I think I can take on Goku.
I have to say though, I do believe Venat is stronger than Emet.
Outside of having more experience, Venat tied with the WoL post rejoining Ardbert- the same WoL who’d beaten Zodiark (whose darkness I think should be greater than Emet in his true form).
Whereas Emet lost to the WoL who was rejoined too but also heavily exhausted. Although it’s still highly likely that we would’ve lost without the Auracite.
That’s how I see it at least. I loved watching this video regardless XIV/FF power scaling is underrated and soooo fun
Wasn’t there something about party finder being made canon or something like that at the end of endwalker’s story?
Short answer no. Long answer. LOL no!
It would be a stalemate. I agree with Tier 5 maybe a Tier 4 but the WoL will scale with the enemy they fight.
We see at the end of Endwalker in the last fight with Zenos that when the WoL loses all their health that they simply regain it back and powers up.
Similarly Goku and saiyan blood does the same thing in a sense.
So it'll just be the final fight with Zenos but replace Zenos with Goku.
The WoL would struggle with even base form Goku but Goku would let the WoL level up until they were fighting at Ultra Instinct Goku and then it would just be who gets tired first.
Characters like the WoL are too busted for these types of things. They're the literal definition of "I died… BUT I LIVED!"
I'm not even saying the WoL is stronger than Goku what I'm saying is if you put the two in a room together that the WoL will come out casting LB3s by themselves and turn into their own raid boss casting Ultima and Zetaflare and other broken FF spells and moves.
But WoL still didn't beat Goku. It was a stalemate.
WoL is the ultimate Shonen Protag farming spot. An enemy you can't beat but can't beat you either. Ultimate Rival Character
Another thing to consider is that shown in the shadowbringers trailer that the WOL is able to change jobs mid battle so even if goku were to throw powerful attacks his way he could literally switch to a tank job, take the hit with mitigation, switch to a healer to patch himself back up and then switch to a dps job to keep fighting. Not to mention that all tank jobs give him a ability that literally makes him not die to most attacks so as long as goku doesn't try to use something like gts universal spirit bomb or something even stronger the WOL can literally take anything he throws at him
One thing I like is thinking that the azem crystal is part of the wols power, we do use it a lot to get numbers, but in the end we are basically azem, so we're just using our powers to summon 7 more equally powerful beings as us
WOL is pretty strong but even a tank lb 3 I don't think is going to do much against a kamehameha strong enough to destroy a planet. DBZ's power scaling is just too insane for most other franchises to really complete directly for 1 on 1 fights.
Meteion is a powerful potentially omnicidal being but that power doesn't from being able to crack planets with sheer destructive power, but a special ability that can wipe out entire civilizations through despair. The End Times were a threat because it was turning people into monsters. The WOL being powerful was important in defeating Meteion but it was also more about not giving into despair, and having an unlikely ally allowing us to reach her, that won the day more so than pure physical power.
The only FFXIV characters that could best Goku are the Mandervilles.
Didn't even watch the vid because I don't need to in order to answer:
No, the WoL cannot defeat Goku. UI alone makes it an impossible task for the WoL as nothing in their arsenal can even come close to the speed and reflexes of Goku in this form.
Hell, WoL couldn't even beat Vegeta in UE, and damn sure not Gohan in Beast Mode.
I know those two aren't on topic but it's just a point of reference. WoL IS powerful, don't get me wrong. But the power gap is just WAAAAAAY too big for them to even compete
*Spoiler Alert*: If I got this right, the WoL is a former Ascian called Azem shattered into fractions with the ability to summon his "fractions" (in form of other players). For example in raids it's actually not 32 different characters instead they're all fractions of Azem. And Azem (or the "rank" of it) was I think the most powerful Ascian in terms of combat. So if this' correct he ez claps Emet (at full potential)
Also, just because Gilgamesh can traverse dimensions doesn't mean he's multiversal or even universal or even planetary. He just walks through a dimensional rift that, frankly, I've never seen him create himself. 7 Rebirth is a good example of that. Anyone can walk through a rift to go to another dimension. It means nothing. Hell, even sometimes when you do create it yourself you can be not even planetary. Vergil, from the Devil May Cry series can do it, but only with Yamato, which means Yamato is doing it, and Yamato got stopped by a Military-grade Bazooka. Sometimes things have special properties that don't scale.
Well, it's safe to assume that the strongest sundered character we will ever-know inside FF14 lore is Louisoix. In fact, he was so strong that he could easily warp a fullparty of warrior of lights through time and space and face a full-angered 100% colossal creature with prayers of thousand of lost wyrms over centuries. I'd say that Dala-Bahamudt is a self-equivalent of what Hydaelyn is in the Aetherial Sea (the weakest version of Hydaelyn). -> I'm not powering-up scale by expansion, but rather by destructive power.
But again if we talk about the unsundered/ancient characters, Venat/Hydaelyn, Emet-Selch, Azem, Hythlodaeus and Elidibus, they are pretty fucking strong (stronger than any mortal-being we know so far) and probably stronger than WoL until Lv 90-ish. Most of them would require a party of 8 WoL to defeat. Althought I haven't seen them using any insane-power to destroy an entire living-planet, only Meteion has showing this so far, and I can imagine that she does that by manifestating Dynamis (which is like an ultra-instinct version of energy in the game).
So… answering your question, does ANY of these characters can beat Goku? The answer is… no
Simply put, the power scale of Goku's SSJs versions are still beyond anything we have in the game so far…
It's basically impossible to properly quantify. YoshiP has stated that the WoL is weaker than Guts from Berserk, which instantly removes a power level even approaching Goku from the conversation. It's reasonable to assume the WoL has grown since this statement was made, but likely not by the orders of magnitude required for this comparison to work.
There are instances where the WoL channels incredible power to accomplish great feats, but there are also instances of them getting beat by pretty mundane opponents, such as being unable to overcome guards. Even a character like Ran'jit was too much for the WoL to handle.
The most impressive feat the WoL had would probably be dealing with Meteion, who was a planetary threat. But that also involved the channeling of dynamis into the WoL, similarly to Goku receiving energy for a spirit bomb, AND it required a group to do, so it's not a reliable guage by itself.
The trial vs Hydaelyn can't really be used either, since it was a test from a significantly more powerful being at the end of their existence who ultimately wanted to lose, and saved their strength to pass on. And this was also accomplished by a group. Zodiark was similarly in a weakened and broken state, and STILL required a group to beat despite wanting to die. And there's nothing to indicate that the WoL, being fractured, could have beaten ancients like Hades or Elidibus alone, especially considering the Ran'jit battle took place not long before the Hades fight in the grand scheme of things. Zenos was the most powerful opponent the WoL beats in single combat, but nothing he did ever approached even Raditz level.
The WoL has remarkable and interesting skills that make them very powerful in their verse. But just based on the WoLs lack of speed feats alone (the WoL has never even managed anything supersonic) there's nothing to indicate that a battle between the WoL and Goku would end up being anything more than Goku launching what would seem like an instantaneous attack on the WoL, who would then get launched through some nearby terrain until they finally come to a stop buried in a mountainside. I could see the nature of the WoL's power giving them the chance to potentially survive that (via things like the blessing of light and dynamis), but there's nothing offensively relevant the WoL could ever do to impact Goku in a meaningful way.
Edit: Upon reflecting on this, I did manage to gloss over the fact that the WoL does manage a few supersonic speed feats in the Stormblood and Shadowbringers trailers. So while ultimately this doesn't change anything, I don't want to be disrespectful to the WoL. It's simply a problem of even Sayian saga Goku still being beyond these levels of power.
Great idea for a video 🔥
1 small critique I have is that Guts from Berserk is not a shonen character. He’s seinen. Would love to see another video like this
So, about the Exdeath feat, if I remember correctly, Nero stated at one point to Omega that yeah, he did reproduce exact replicas of those legendary villains, however, these replicas didn't have the cunning and smarts that the originals had. In other words: it seems that yes, the Neo-Exdeath we fight in the Omega Raids is as powerful as the original, so has the same power output potential, HOWEVER, and this is an important caveat, it didn't have the same behaviour as the original, so it could be argued that it didn't go as far in terms of power output as the original, simply because it just went through the motions. So, while he may be as strong as the original, can we say that it showed its maximum power? That is up for debate.
Here's where I humbly disagree and think that the Endsinger fight shows him at a 3B (multi-galaxy level) at worst, and a 3A (Universal) at best: the simple fact that the fight exists. Now, here's the thing: having the Scions help protect the WoL during her ultimate attack DOESN'T LOWER the tier that they belong in. It would in much lower tiers, for example a group of tier 9, say 9A (small building level) could potentially defeat a Tier 8B character (City Block level). However, when we get in tiers so massives like tier 3 and 2, where even the difference between a same tier (3B for multi-galaxy to 3A for universal) is so mindbogglingly ginormous, it's pretty impossible to realistically argue that a lower tier would actually do ANYTHING against it. Meaning that a Tier 4, no matter which part of the tier, would be powerless against a Tier 3, even the weaker version of a tier 3.
So, for the Scions to be able to conjure a shield protecting the WoL, their output HAS to be in the same tier. Perhaps not in the same category, but DEFINITELY in the same tier. And given that it's pretty obvious the Warrior of Light is way stronger than they are, while still being in that same tier, having him lower than tier 3 doesn't make much sense to me.
Now, I don't think he's tier 2, because nothing in the story shows that he has the power to impact the multiverse. Whether or not the Exdeath we fought had the same power output as the original, the fact remains that he never SEEMED to use the full power of the original Exdeath, which makes this feat questionable. What's not questionable is that the Endsinger's power output threatened the entire universe, and the simple fact that we could tank it, with everything I've explained, also shows that the WoL is universal, so tier 3A, in my opinion at least.
Could he beat Goku? No, but the fight would be fun. But, in the scope of the franchise, he is among the strongest protagonists.
TBH my high ass was so fucking invested in this it was alot of fun!!
I wonder allways, how caster are fighting the meele enemy. When they have to stand still for casting and dont have someone, who protect them.
Or, how the Thaumaturg wol is fighting Ifrit, when the main attack is fire. And Ifrit IS fire (are they using the other element in that case)
I see the Warrior of light as the Doctor from Dr Who. a person physically "normal" being but with skills, techniques and knowledge that make the impossible possible, a true specialist in no-win situations…
I strongly disagree with planetary or above level because their enemies begin able to do it doesnt mean they could. By that I mean, Hydaelyn could in theory destroy a planet and the endsinger can squeze the life out of planets on a whim but those planet/galaxy obliterating attacks WOULD destroy us easily and instantly, we just survive it because we dodge the attacks or push ourselves to the limit to just survive it.
Having said that, this video really put into perspective the size of the feats the wol can accomplish. I would put the WoL at a comfortable mid tier 4.
goku winns, warrior of light is cheating with 7 other party members to kill bosses, goko does it alone, also onepunchman would prolly pwn goku btw :3
It really is hard to tell how strong WoL really is, for example just in the ShB trailer we get to see our WoL go to WoD becoming a Dark Knight and splitting the sky to walking on the moon in Endwalker like it was just another day to borderline flying as a Dragoon mid-air jumping on air to shattering mountains just from job changing and so on, there's so many features and feats that could be covered but WoL's strength pretty much lies in Dynamis same as Endsinger who uses the same energy paired with the Echo I suppose and from there it's really a matter of consistency, in Shadowbringers the WoL held the Light of an entire world inside themselves for a time and almost mastered it but came closer to breaking apart.
Didn't watch the video yet (going to right after this, I promise) but I can safely tell you that ANYBODY can beat Goku. Just give him enough bacon. His heart will give out at some point. Wouldn't be the first time. Defeat by assisted self destruct. :p
(There! Watched the video!)
On a "slightly" more serious note… I don't think the Warrior of Light stands a chance against any of the Dragon Ball Super cast. The creatures you described need to spool up their ultimate attacks. Those things need time, concentration and preparation. And all the events of mass destruction those attacks caused were not enough to take out a whole continent. Well, maybe if it was real small. Even Yamcha can casually wipe out a country at this point if he's not careful. Even the weakest of the crew is still a beast on his own. The stronger ones need to hold back to avoid tearing the fabric of space and time currently.
Another thing that works against the Warrior of Light, is that though he/she may have pre-cognitive abilities, but reaction time is a whole different matter. And it's been demonstrated time and time again that the cast in Dragon Ball have MUCH faster movement, and by extention MUCH better reaction time then your average person to the point where common people quickly lose sight of them. I have yet to see anything pointing to the Warrior of Light having a sufficient level of awareness to follow their moves. Someone that competes won't stick to a defined path of they see that their line of actions would lead to failure. They would naturally attempt to adapt and change their actions to reach a desired result. Pre-cog would be borderline useless in such a situation where the opponent VASTLY outclasses the warrior in reaction speed. All that would be seen would be all the ways he would fail to dodge. Pre-cog is great against things that are as fast or slower then you. Doesn't do much for you otherwise in a fight. Not unless you use it in a broader way instead of directly. Like foreseeing when your opponent would show an opening or using the terrain/situation to your advantage to blind-side him.
That's pretty much all I have to say here. The video was cool, and talked a lot about who in FF14 is stronger then who, but there's no feat that scales to world busting. The best feat of speed the Warrior of Light displayed, was cutting through a dozen bullets, which is an impressive feat, but it is still not enough to keep up with anyone on Dragon Ball and I have not seen any ability that would give them an indirect advantage such as an instant way to disable them or severely hamper them. The only thing I've seen in this video that stands a chance at beating them would be that last lady that would sing the universe into oblivion. And the only reason WoL beat her is because of his deus-ex plot device that would help counter her. Which would do nothing to help vs the DBS cast. The Warrior of Light could not even beat Yamcha. Sadly. Not unless he caught him off guard. Saying WoL is planet level is a severe exaggeration. I could understand him "maybe" being strong enough to wipe out a continent, but it would certainly be a concerted effort brought over several weeks. He does not have a kit that is suited to mass destruction. He has a kit tailored to counter those who CAN cause mass destruction. This would not make him an equal in those tasks. You are comparing an anti-material rifle to a bunker buster in the game. And the DBS crew is basicly a starship with weapons that can wipe out the planet. There are characters in fiction that have what it takes to beat Goku. The Warrior of Light simply is not one of them.
And he would stand absolutely NO chance what so ever against the all mighty Hercule! Savior of the world! XD
Anyway, thanks for the vid and for humouring me long enough to read through all that. Hope everyone has a nice day!
Strong… but they're not smart enough to know why kids live the taste of Cinnamon Toast Crunch!
It depends, is the WOL on a Warrior Job? Cause that might make Goku's life harder xD
Limit breaks has nothing to do with Dynamis.
the Blessing of Light and the Echo are two very desperate things.
WoL end Shadowbringers bodies all of their previous human enemies as shown in the MSQ.
the fusion between Ardbert and the WoL is stronger than shade-elidibus, but weaker than Hero Elidibus.
Lahabrea( spoilers) literally one shots you in the MSQ now at the end of ARR if not for Hydaelyn.
Emet-selech is the most powerful ancient period.
In terms of Ancient Aether stats he was considered bottomless without his transformation.
the Present WoL is comparable if not above your average ancient now in strength over-all or so, you would think.
But it is likely that there are people out there that can be beat the WoL still.
Like we know they'll die to Gas.
They are still pretty mortal and will die, when struck down and so forth.
also My depression can beat Goku.
honestly I feel like power leveling isn't a concept for the WOL really. I think it's more like their determination and will allows them to elevate themselves to a level they have a chance of actually suceeding in their tasks. it's plot power but, not a guarantee of victory. just that their personality and dynamis allows them to essentially force the universe into giving them the possibility of victory no matter how unlikely.
Meteion is same straight of zamazu and black Goku fusion so mmm oh crap WL pretty but with 8 ppl
Hmmmm idk. Maybe???
no
The Eden verse raids…the one where you fight that giant ship. Yea…it throws a galactic blast at us while we were in space. We lived
I think there's definitely a difference between the player's WoL and the canon/story version of the WoL. To encourage the MMO / teamwork aspect, the game usually has you form 4-8 man groups for combat, but canonically the WoL does most things on their own, with the exception of a couple times where the dialogue indicates you get some fellow adventurers (other players) to join up for a fight. There's also a buff during some instanced fights called "Brilliant Conviction" whose description is "Breaking limits as only a true Warrior of Light could" that is an implication that narratively the WoL has unusually strong power behind them, unnatural compared to other characters.
WoL has also definitely been progressively powering up since 1.0 and are exponentially stronger by Endwalker's end than they were at the beginning. Also now considering that the WoL understands what Dynamis is (something they didn't know about or consciously tapped into prior to EW), I think that would definitely be a booster to the WoL moving forward.
BUT!
At the risk of sounding cheesy, there's something that the game has emphasized time and time again, the power behind the WoL is not just their raw strength itself. It's also the power of their friendships. The ability of the WoL to forge bonds basically acts as a multiplier to their power and lets them conquer any challenge. The power of friendship makes the WoL a literal god-killer, lol.
so this video has alot of things wrong, for one you're forgetting that the primals are threats that are possible to be killed by regular soldiers thought it does require multiple people and can cause people their lives, so the primals are kinda being alittle more upscaled then they should be. Zenos the reason we couldn't beat him the first time was cause we didn't have the drive, the motivate to kill him like he did, we were holding back, Zenos had always been on the same power level as we have we've always been an even match. Endsinger is very much not the strongest being so far, quite honestly not even close, zodiark was able to hold back endsingers power even with his power sundered by hydaelyn and hydaelyn was able to go toe to toe with zodiark, so clearly endsinger is definitely not the strongest thing on the scale. Endsinger was also not defeated by dynamis it was defeated by the hopes and dreams of an entire planet, its the whole "a drop of hope is worth more then a pong of despair" type deal. Other then that, the video wasn't bad, but there is definitely some things missing within the story and hypes up the WoL way higher then they actually are. If anything i would argue town level is pretty accurate for our power level lore wise, we can't just destory multiverses in a blink of an eye which multiverse level would imply, we're still also human the power of light doesn't just make up stupidly op we do still have human limits which is why raj still beats our ass
Nice vid, but overall there were some mistakes. Like Elidibus in WoL form using Dynamis. That ain't true at all. The Ancient cannot utilize it because they are so heavily connected to aether, they cannot even perceive the existence of it, let alone to utilize it. Hades not knowing it until Hermes told him was proof of it, also we were told Hermes was the one who was the most useful Concovation member when battling the Final Days, since he knew the most of it. What WoLidibus did was using Aether to mimic us.
Lol what