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NixOS Has A HUGE Problem..
NixOS Has A HUGE Problem..
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“SavvyNik”
NixOS Has A HUGE Problem that it needs help with and is calling Linux Community Members to help. Will NixOS shut down? How can you help? What’s Going ON?
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FUD. This is not a HUGE PROBLEM. It's merely a reason to cost optimize a bit.
Well time to switch again. I really liked nix. I'm done with all these niche oses.
any updates about this?
It's hilarious as money gets centralized into a few people's hands there's less and less to go around. Make 300K a year and we will never be able to afford to move out of our 700 ft² condo in the Bay area. Donating to any calls? Nope. Maybe in a few decades when I'm semi retired
An easy solution would be to charge every user of nix $1/mo, then you can make a use of p2p network to store the objects.
Cloudflare R2 is cheaper.
Why not use IPFS, I will see what I can find. Are NixOS devs meeting about this issue? Is there a Discord or site?
What about a decentralized approach where many Nix users build and share artifacts via BitTorrent? If it works, is is unfortunately certainly no quick solution.
domen is a major contributor to the nixos ecosystem, but i feel he doesn't shy away from comercialising his work. I mean, cachix is nice, but it's not a must to use.
It'd be good for the community to explore better solutions like p2p, or making self hosting caches easier, and have some sort of federeration of free cache/ci services funded by different sponsors
what the hell are they storing 425tb for? The entire Debian archive is only 4.4tb.
Isn’t there a less expensive solution But above 400Tbi are a lot of data….
Somehow linux from scratch becomes more and more like a viable option 😉
Compared to a hobby project this is astronomical expenses, sure. But NixOS isn't a hobby project. Nothing surprising to me about those S3 costs. If anything, I'm surprised the transfer costs are as low as they are.
Why do they need so much data? Do other distros have comparable hosting needs?
These costs are not that high, especially if you look at what headaches they prevent for companies, and that there will always be hosting-companies competing with eachother (meaning terabytes of unused storage).
Also, nobody seems to mention that the pre-built binaries are taking up the majority of diskspace..not the textfile build-definitions.
AFaik the whole nix-package ecosystem fits on a usb stick.
Nice FUD video though.
This is why my firm rents rack space and self hosts. "Cloud" costs would have spiraled out of control
Well, SteamOS 3.5 is apparently getting access to the NixOS repos which might actually help out with the issue of Valve having their own repository. So the idea is to see if Valve would be able to sponsor the costs?
using AWS was a rocky mistake. ı think they should plan to migrate to a cheaper option. AWS is not the only one out there
These costs are actually pennies, 120k a YEAR is pennies to any corporation. Yes they need to move out of S3, but most importantly, they need to gather the attention of backers, of big companies, this is the decade of Nix, we will live to see Amazon Linux being based on Nix, people everywhere daily driving nix, it just needs to be adopted by some foundation or company.
Sad but i cant say im surprised considering the state of docs and how long nix exists, although wish there was tooling to do what nix does but with debian/fedora packages, maybe even multiple package systems
Just use B2
Seems like that do have indeed a HUGE problem.
It's using AWS in the first place.
Besides getting support from various universities around the world as many other distros do, even just hosting it on their own managed VPS (from OVH, Hetzner, etc.) would be significantly cheaper and better for them.
If you're managing a "built-for-dependability" distro, managing a server/server-infrastructure should not be hard.
Heck, you could even proudly say that you eat-your-own dogfood.
Reduce to bare minimum storage.
What's the deal with the myriad unlimited bandwidth servers available, why aren't those an option as opposed to cloud vultures?
guys, for real. every major Linux distribution has mirrors sponsored by universities around the globe! Please contact those to mirror you!
Also, hosting on S3 (and similar) was obviously wrong to begin with. That shall be addressed ASAP!
Why not use decenttalized hosting? NixOS users would definitely contribute their bandwidth and disk space.
Team up with Framework laptop manufacturer or LTT
So this is just a NixOS issue and the distro independent Nix pacakge manager is not included in the storage costs mentioned here? Or this is the entire Nix ecosystem?
My guess would be a combination of moving packages towards flatpak, so they don't have to host it. Second move out of S3 it's just to expensive. Since packages are nice tidy bundles a BitTorrent per package would help distribute the load. Also a donation qr code to help with some independent funding couldn't hert.
IPFS
peer-to-peer cache sharing… (torrents with hash checking)
its joever
Hey Savvynik, Why would they used the most expensive cloud services? There's other cloud services on the cheaper end like digital ocean or Linode. They do offer good rates for FOSS and Startups.