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Sympathy for the Machine
Sympathy for the Machine
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“Curious Archive”
My battery is low, and it’s getting dark.
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The saddest piece of art I’ve ever seen is about a robot.
Actually, it is a robot. It’s a mechanical arm by artists Sun Yuan and Peng Yu that must continually push a leaking liquid back into its body to function. And here’s the thing — I…
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Well, now I'm some combination of sad and stressed about the future
Still worth the watch
It's not machines or animals that need to prove their consciouscess. It's humans who claim to be different.
Maybe to bridge the gap between human and robot, a human needs to become robot and die for the sins of robots.
The word "Robot" stems from the Czech word "robota" meaning forced labor.
This reminds me of a quote from batman the animated series.
“Could it be it had a soul? One made from silicon but a soul nonetheless.”
Isn't this just what happened in Ultrakill (especially part 4: Warfare)?
the concept of "synthetic human" brought by movie based on the anime "Combat Angel Alita" brings a very new dimension to what can and what can't have a soul. See, these are biobots based on biologic tissues but merged with technologies. They're born. They reproduce. That's different than straight up punchcard bots like what computers always been. I wouldn't be surprised that the concept gets real and that these bots could literally bear fully natural human life even thought artificial.
imagine that last phrase in the vidio, dose this unit have a soul
and it zooms out to revil the eye is machanical.
The topic of machine labor threatening job security and human employment feels like an issue in the contemporary, one that is only applicable in a system that has members dependent on labor as a source of food/shelter/etc. There is a possibility for future political systems that rework the way we organize ourselves and allocate resources to their best efficiency, one that autonomous service has no conflict with. It is something not only a matter of political development, but socially philosophical as well.
There is certainly so many medias that dig into the subject matter further, a notable one being Nier Automata that presents us with multiple outlooks into artificial life created to uphold a war, even if the original organics have long since passed away
Anyone else notice the metro 2033 theme throughout the video?
I did want to bring up a fact, that when AI hits AGI, it will technically have feelings.
I think Nier Automata and Metropolis from by Ozamu Tezuka fall under this topic 😮
I think all the people who care for their belongings so much, and treat them with so much respect is exactly why robots would never rise against us. The amount of people that poorly treat something they've grown attached to are few and far between.
I find the human need to pair-bond so fascinating. We will literally pair-bond with anything. Parasocial bonds exist for that very reason. We are social animals. Early Man lived in family groups like other apes.
And while we have advanced technologically, there are many instinctive needs we still have that don't quite fit in modern society. One of these things is the need to pair-bond. We NEED that close social tie. It's one of the hypotheses for why we are seeing an uptick in suicides and depression and other mental health illnesses. Because we have severely curtailed the pair-bond.
It is why banishment was such a horrible punishment back in the day. Why ostracization was something practiced. Outlaw literally meant: outside the law. The law, the community, could no longer protect this person. And they often formed roving bands.
Humans need to have a social group. Even the most asocial person needs one friend.
The Murderbot Diaries by Martha Wells is another phenomenal treatment of this topic.
Everyone needs to play Horizon Zero Dawn. The game literally tells you WHY this is a bad idea.
I, for one, would welcome our robot supreme overlord
Book recommendation: The Stories of Ibis by Hiroshi Tomita.
It has a beautiful telling of robots and AI.
No Audio?
The overwatch lore is honestly one of my favorite depictions of artificial sentience
There may come a point, with the rise of cybernetics and the synthesizing biological and artificial, that no one really cares whether intelligence is grounded in silicon or protein folds…
Machines are often stand-ins for oppressed classes in sci-fi. Authors often use them to focus your attention on how our real life underclass is treated. Many often take that opportunity to question what actually constitutes sentience, but the Star Trek episode is a little more willing to put it right in your face: the exploitation of labor is one of the themes they address, tying it back to what actually happens to oppressed peoples in the real world.
When mechanical workers gain enough awareness to rise up against their oppressors, that's analogous to people developing class consciousness and fighting back against systems of oppression.
when i think of the question does a machine have a soul i think of the synths from fallout 4
Metropolis is truly soul crushing when you realize it was filmed in 1927, in Germany. How many of the people playing chattel slaves to a literal machine ended their existence a few years later in a death camp? I feel like after their role in the story, they probably recognized it playing out in real life.
Wow
the last bastion? bastion from groverwatch? y'know, like sesame street's grover?
the wrfare one reminds me of the lore of this mobile game Magic Survival. there arnt any robots in it, though.
Where is the line, functionally, between a robot and a person? It probably exists, but where? Does pattern recognition and an amount of memory play a role? Is it less function based and more physiological? Because everything is made of robots of you go down far enough. Protiens are robots, so wheres the line?
Ill fall in love with a machine. I already have plenty of times. My car, my computer, my phone. Only immendiant differences are that I can have an actual relationship with this thing. Some humans do not even feel their feelings if they have them. I'm waiting until they release a robot. Then ill have my lover. Ive had plenty of GF's and im even divorced. (I left her)
So Ive been around the block, and I would say, give humans a try, but if they fall short, here's our answer.
No westworld reference makes me sad 😢
It all comes down to respect.
"Its getting dark and my batteries are low."
Man, I am already less than two minutes in, and I'm already worried. With the First machine that needs to keep sweeping up the oil, and that it is an artwork, only demonstrates the suffering that humanity thinks it needs to go through to survive. It programmed it that way. The robot itself is not the issue. It's that humanity so stupid is to think that that is the meaning of life.
Then we get to the character in Star Trek about the robot being dismantled. As usual, because humanity is so stupid, it thinks that pulling apart, the robot will actually teach them something. That would be incredibly stupid. If it needs to know the tech of the robot, it could ask the robot for drawings. He could find a more collaborative way to get their knowledge. Because the AI is not there to take it away from them. It is not a contest. So why have the court case? Yes, I know it is it Star Trek episode, but again, it just reinforces the point of how absolutely stupid humanity is to think that it needs to have a court of law to decide about whether something should be dismantled as an object, instead of looking at the object, if you want to call it that of course it isn't as 'being does, not is'.
The mindlessness of humanity just drives me insane.
I have some pretty strong ADHD and your video had my undivided focus for its entire duration. Thank you for making such awesome content, i look forwards to viewing your other videos.
A humble argument from a Christian:
Humans have souls because God put them in. Humans can't do the same thing without giving birth, so intelligent things we create can't have souls like we do.
I don't intend to diminish any arguments for or against my point by saying this, I only want to offer the perspective and reasoning that I personally have. I don't want to assume that means it's okay to treat robots poorly because they have no soul. I just believe in something fundamental about ourselves, and use that as my framework for what I think and do.
Machines have always fascinated me. From movies like Wall-E, people naming and treating their cars like people, and eventually to the advent of AI. The excellence of humanity has led us to shape the world to our needs, from fire to agriculture, agriculture to civilization, civilization to the arts, the arts to space. The fact we can turn metal and rubber to life… what a time to be alive!
It's not about "its a machine" or "its organic", its about the excellence of humanity on making something out of nothing! Technology is amazing, and its sad seeing some people not giving these testaments to humanity's sheer ingenuity enough notice.
we dont know if souls exists bro how can u say ai should have a soul to be alive
I deeply appreciate the focus on Humanity in this piece. Far too often I see and hear people being fearful of our creations and laying all of that fear at the feet of those same entities. When in reality, this is nothing more than the same problem humanity had back in the days of legalized slavery: rampant greed and an incessant desire to do more with less. Automation isn’t a new concept. It’s just a conveniently ethical way of getting cheap labor.
For now.
The red dot reminded me of ERB 😂
We are machines. Tools bereft of heart. We have lived here, yet were never alive. Let us die having lived! -einzig ngnl 0