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45Drives Tech Tip – Comparing ESXi Features to Proxmox
45Drives Tech Tip – Comparing ESXi Features to Proxmox
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Every second week, we will be releasing a tech tip video that will give users information on various topics relating to our storage products.
Recently, the news broke that Broadcom-owned VMware is planning to kill the free version of ESXi virtualization software.
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@45Drives can you please either remove the monitor from the desk or use a sturdier desk so that it doesn't shake when the presenter moves or touches the desk? Love the series.
I would like to see them compared on the same hardware so ‘real world’ test scenarios that involve simulated failures of things like disk, nodes and whatever else might go wrong, power outage could be done. We use VMWare at my workplace and I was surprised how unimpressed I found myself with VMWare in general. I use proxmox in a home lab but I’ve not had the chance to compare the two on equal footing. We all know proxmox is way cheaper and could potentially save millions in costs. The question is more about whether this is like getting a Windows user to switch to a Linux desktop or not. Is proxmox a real world replacement and what features does it have or not and how well do they perform in comparison? My guess is proxmox could do the job. AWS hypervisors are based on Linux XEN with hardware supporting features rather than doing pass-through. I am guessing Microsoft’s own cloud tech is Linux as well. ESXi probably is too. So how much value did they add for what they charge and can you build an equivalent enough system to replace it for ‘mainstream use’ with proxmox?
Is it possible to spin up a fault tolerant VM with Proxmox? You know – the type that actually runs in parallel on two or more hosts in case one goes down…
You had me at 64 cores lol 😊
He's Canadian, eh?
Granted I only had access to ESXi so no fancy features. I want to learn proxmox put anytime somebody does a tutorial on how to do stuff in proxmox it looks like a huge pain.
My friend, you need to get your facts straight. vSphere is ESXi + vCenter. You buy licenses for ESXi and vCenter, not vSphere and vCenter. Also, you can run local drives in ESXi just fine. If the chipset is recognized, and a lot of them are, you can even add multiple SATA drives and use them as a single data store. No vSAN required. It has no software raid, that is correct. Last but not least, NSX is NOT a vSphere feature. It’s a completely different product. vSphere has networking integrated with distributed virtual switches and more. NSX has a different positioning, like distributed firewalling and routing techniques like BGP.
Can't wait for that SDN.
Great video. Looking forward to the next video.
Nice Video and looking forward to SDN – SR-IOV with intel iGPUs for guest video transcoding acceleration or even for giving high performance network access to VMs is something not very well documented for Proxmox and would be a great usecase to have a video on.
Some troubleshooting would be nice. What can I do if a SSD dies? Or how to replace an entire node if that fails. Or something strange that can happen to your Proxmox cluster and you already have experience with. 🙂
Edit: I forgot to say: You are awesome. I learned a lot about Ceph from you guys. A big thank you from me.
You are turning into a beefcake.
Looking good man!
Hi, thank you I will show this to my manager, I love proxmox but, i could not present this as good as you did :). Thank you and waiting for other videos about this subject!
Nice to have you back my friend. Another excellent video from 45Drives. Great topic to cover on a video! Thanks and keep up the good work.
I love CEPH and Proxmox. But one thing makes me think about it. Usually we never put the MON Service on OSD Nodes, what Proxmox does. Is this a big disadvantage? Or when does it get an disadvantage?
Would like to see a performance comparison of a 3 node cluster running Ceph(PVE) between NVMe / SAS / SATA based setups using 8 to 12 drives per server.
Still trying to get to grips with Proxmox in an enterprise environment as a replacement for vSphere (I have worked with VMware products since the outset), and I wonder if anybody has converted yet. In a greenfield setup it’s a no-briner, as long as it’s not VMware you going to be better off! The real challenge will be converting an existing client. For example, vSAN v Ceph they are both a type of distributed storage, but would you architect them the same? I don’t know Ceph that well (yet), but I suspect disk choices, the number, performance, physical layout would be different. Most vSAN setups I have seen just use just 2x NICs, VMware on AWS for example is 2x25GB in each host and use Distributed Switches to do Network IO Control so all the traffic uses those NIC’s with traffic prioritised by vSphere. Ceph looks like it wants dedicated NICs for Management/Cluster, VMs and Storage; maybe pushing the logic up to the physical network Q0S for example. Lots to consider.
I am a big fan of Proxmox but I don’t know many clients that don’t have other products in their ecosystem be it Site Recovery Manager (DR) Backup with Veeam or Commvault which integrate into the storage API or even NSX they all have replacements in some shape or form but converting is another thing, especially if different server and network hardware are required, I dont think Proxmox SDN has T1/T2 routing like NSX?. Interesting times!
I'd love to see the SDN features in use. I've been working alot with EVPN VXLAN right now and love to see how well it integrates and does the Type-5 routing. If it does that at all, Type 2 would be great as well.
i think proxmox is a good option for vitalization. but ti know even come close to have the functionality that vmware does.. everybody that does these videos comparing the two always leave things out of the list because proxmox doesnt have them. below are just a few.
1 FT (Fault tolerance) which is extremely important when hosting databases.
2. proactive HA, you can have vmware migrate a vm if it sees any issues arising on the host. say you have bonded nics and one of the nics fails, vmware will migrate the vm to a different machine incase that host does eventually fails. once you resolve the issue it will migrate back.
3 DRS, letting vmware move vms as it sees fit to balance the load of all vms across the cluster
4 proxmox doesn't have distributed switches. proxmox you have to manually make the same networking changes on every host. that leaves a lot of room for errors. image you dont add a interface to one of the host, then HA takes place and your machines are offline.
there is a lot more features that vmware has over proxmox.
i have been in the IT field for the last 18 years and i have never seen a large business using proxmox. now i have came across large nonprofits using it. but in the large enterprise world they use vmware because it is a better product. In my opinion these two products are not even in the same league.
dont get me wrong proxmox is a great tool, im not trying to bash it all. and i am mot bashing this video, but if your going to compare the features of two products compare all the features.
Been using Proxmox for 10 years now. It has come a loooooooong way in that time. I can't imagine ever using vmware again – the exorbitant costs aside, that proxmox is a lot of linux basics with perl helpers mean it is very customizable. We write our own glue to attach it to our other stuff and it becomes the beating heart of our services.
Great video comparing the two. Do you think that the community is really missing anything going with Proxmox compared to VMWare?
I rarely see anyone touch OVS in Proxmox. Can't believe everyone is happy with Linux Bridge.