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Never enough SATA ports. (AKA the problem with ITX NAS cases)
Never enough SATA ports. (AKA the problem with ITX NAS cases)
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Depends, but SM have some Mini-ITX boards which has 8 ports and IPMI.
Thanks. You video is very informative and fits perfectly with what I was struggling to find. I think I’ll follow your recommendation about the processor too.
I wish at least that this board had at least 3 or 4 NICs, but I think I can survive. Thank you again!
Did not skip, very interesting as i was looking for a similar solution. Enjoyed the video, Thanks !
Will continue my Lenovo m720q route with a pcie sata card 1st.
Oof, that X570 ITX/TB3 has a very garbage chipset cooler and a terrible placement of the M.2 slot (on the backside). The BIOS is garbage too… how the heck did they get Intel to "certify" a board where Thunderbolt devices don't work at all during boot, and where hotplugging a Thunderbolt device fails to allocate any resources for the device?
Since I've yet to see it mentioned recently: supermicro m11sdv
Up to amd epyc 3251 cpu (8c16t)
1 4x m.2 slot
1 16x slot that can be bifurcated
4x1gig (thats the con- The cpu has 10g capabilities)
12v/atx psu uptions
UP TO 512GB of ddr4 ecc ram
4x sata slots
I feel the cheaper ones you showed are perfect for what they can handle. You would've have the raw processing power to saturate a 10g connection anyway. And the internal usb header is meant to house the OS such as truenas. While the audio header is included because these are used as NVRs alot. I wouldn't even run more than 5 sata drives on something underpowered like that. An HBA would be a waste even if it had the lanes for it.
they could have boosted the power delivery and made a pro pro board.
Most people purchasing low end combo "nas" boards don't realize the issue with lanes being very limited.
can you maybe look into m-atx nas type mainboards pls? ty
I used an ASRock H370M-ITXac motherboard (6 x SATA ports) in a Jonsbo N2 case with a Core i3-8100 CPU (eBay $40). That motherboard supports 8th or 9th generation Intel CPUs. In the one PCIe slot, I put in a 10G Ethernet card.
Hi Peter, i am using the similar Asrock board, Z690M-ITXonly 2 m.2 slot tho. 12600k with a hyper 212 evo cooler, did cinebench R23 run, it only got into to mid 70s max temps. Now i need to add some drives. Not sure what OS i will run. Subscribed. Prob True NAS
asrock rack X570D4I-2T has 2 occulink that can be 8 sata, it has 10Gbe and 1x m.2 and 1x pcie
I kinda hoped ECC. Cuz all i see as something extra are sata ports which while nice is kinda solved by by ASM1166 based m.2 to sata adapter which is reported to support lower power stages and any mobo that has two m.2. Gotta check that ryzen board for ECC.
Oh yeah, ipmi sounds good, would be nice to see in the video what that intel version ipmi looks like.
An alternative to those which is a bit of a bodge are the Erying motherboards with Intel laptop CPUs. These CPUs have a big higher consumption, but you have 24/28 lanes, three NVMe slots and so on. NAS Compares did a build video using one of these some time ago.
What intel board would you recommend with a 16x pcie slot w/bifurcation (4x4x4x4) and 2 8x pcie slots?
Could you please let us know which Wake–on–LAN modes are supported by the NICs? Thanks so much!
Thank you for making this video! I'm running the CWWK N100 NAS MoBo and all the limitations you mentioned are felt. And, I wish they would quit stuffing 4xNICs into a NAS MoBo. Subscribed, in case you buy more and talk about them! 🙂
Myself, I'm still using rocking the ASrock C2750D41 for my home NAS. This board supports 12 SATA drives outta the box. I have yet to use the PCIe slot for any HBA interface.
Wow, great find. Exactly what im looking for! Any idea how much power it will get off the wall in idle?
You also need the v-type Ethernet controller if you need vlan settings in windows. The non v doesn’t support it
Some of us want audio jacks 😮! Lack of QuickSync video hardware encoding is a far bigger concern. N100 CPU is a must.
Goods stuff, subbed
Seems to me PCIe configurations have gone totally sideways ever since gen5…. Most mobo OEMs are SO worried about having it that we get crap slot support (even ATX are usually just two 16x "size" that drop to 8x speed the moment you populate both, plus maybe two 1x that aren't much use for most people anyway), and despite the fact that there is essentially nothing in the consumer market that can utilize it (no Gen5 GPU's, just M2 NVMe's that consumers will NEVER need/notice any improvement).
I wish ALL mobo OEMs would just park the bulls**t gen5 hype, stop the STUPID "armor"/put all extra M2's on the back, and go back to using topside real estate for EXPANSION SLOTS like were not all morons.
I took the Chineseium route. Originally, I started out using a loader that will not be named and it served its purpose as a file server. Now I’m getting into encoding my ISOs and home lab applications so I need the horsepower.
Supermicro A2SDi-H-TP4F
Dude that is a perfect board
Hi there, great video…. One question… Did you try any transcoding via plex or jellyfin with that cpu?
good overview
I use M.2 SATA controllers in this case, which comes with another problem – where is the M2 port, and can I route a bulky SFF cable there.
Does the h670 support ECC by chance?
Nice. I have a h670 I ordered maybe a week ago. Waiting for my 12600T to arrive.
Stop using consumer boards, especially questionable Chinese boards if you care about your data. Supermicro and asrock rack have solutions.
I like my Asrock H370m-itx, six sata ports, dual gigabit nics, I3-8100 through I7-9700, Qsync hd 630 and an m.2 WiFi.
I'm mid build. Asrock X570D4I-2T Supports DDR4 260-pin ECC*/non-ECC SO-DIMM up to 32GB/dimm. single PCIe3.0 x16 slot. 1 m.2 2280 PCIe4x4, 2 OCuLink (PCIe4.0* x4 or 4 SATA 6Gb/s), 2 RJ45 (10GbE) by Intel® X550-AT2, remote managment port.
I think this is pretty much the ultimate one IMHO. Drop an AM4 Pro cpu, 64gb ram in this, m.2 boot/os drive, and 8 SATA drive hanging off the occulink and have to 2 10GB Ethernet ports built in. The only irritation so far is the Intel Cooler based AM4 setup..
AliExpress already yanked the link
I got an itx board with 3 m.2’s I think that’s your best bet if u want to use a beefier cpu
Shift the conversation to mATX and all your concerns go away.
I will say that if I look at this gem you found here I might get what I needed and save $3-500.
With mATX you can get a ton more stuff though. Big NIC, more drives, pcie 4×4 nvme in numbers, etc.
why can't you replace the wifi card with a SATA adapter or plug the SATA adapter into the m.2 slot?
of course you can, to get to the wifi slot you need to unscrew the radiator
I have a server at home in Jonsbo N3, Asus Rog B550i and Ryzen 7 5700G with an m.2 to 5 SATA adapter, which gave me total of 9 SATA ports and instead of a Wifi card I installed an adapter for the second 2.5Gb LAN port
I solved the problem with only one PCIe x16 port by bifurcation and used an adapter from x16 to x8x4x4, which gave me two m.2 nvme x4 slots and one PCIe x16 slot with x8 speed, to which I added a low-profile Intel ARC A380 GPU
so in total, not counting the adapters, the jonsbo N3 has room for 12 drives, 8×3.5 inch, one 2.5 inch and three M.2 nvme
For months I was trying to decide what to upgrade my home TrueNAS SCALE box with. I have lots of experience over 20+ years with Supermicro, so I stuck to what I know. Ended up going with an X12STL-IF with a Xeon E-2336 and 64GB of ECC UDIMMs. The Xeon is way overkill, but it will take lower end CPUs and standard DDR4 3200 DIMMs. The 4.0 x16 slot will do 8x/8x via bifurcation jumper. Might do a GPU for transcoding or a dual SFP+ card later. Mini SAS HD w/sideband. Two DOM power ready SATA3 ports which I use for mirrored boot disks. 3.0 x4 M.2 slot for $takeYourPick. All around I'm satisfied with it. Yes it does idle around 28W for me, but I wanted the horsepower if I need it and the cost wasn't that much more for the Xeon E + ECC DIMMs.
The true problem is NO SAS ports.
my question is WHERE IS THE CHEAP STUFF
so back in 2017 you had an iboss viz this 1 [https://youtu.be/48HsUPoXrTs?si=d_HTNH1MIYPukU8p%5D does it have ddr3 or for im looking into get ing 1 and i cant find any thing on it
Very nice video ! I did buy this exact same Q670 motherboard even before watching your video…. 3 NVME, 8 sata, IPMI, real socket for modern Intel CPU : Too good to pass up. CWWK is starting to build really great motherboards for NAS. The only thing that could be even better would be ECC support with a W680 chipset.
I'd love to see a modern denverton type setup that was relatively inexpensive, low power but also had a bunch of PCIE lanes so you could do 2x M.2, 10gb on board and 8-10 SATA ports that was also fairly easy for consumers to get their hands on. That CWWK board isn't bad but no 10gb means I'd have to add a nic so it wouldn't have enough sata ports for my use case sadly.
Thanks. Nice video.
There are 1 to 5 SATA port multipliers. Needs SATA controller support (most or all modern ones should do), and all 5 disks will obviously share 1xSATA600 worth of bandwidth. In many cases that's not an issue.
The Jonsbo N5 has gone up to 12 and atx board support which is interesting but definitely not compact.