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OLD Xeon vs NEW i3 – 4 Core CPU Showdown
OLD Xeon vs NEW i3 – 4 Core CPU Showdown
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lowest 14th gen core lineup is the Core i3-14100T at 2.7g no turbo
so you use the lowest e5 v3 quad core with treading and not the e5 1620v3 or e5 1630v3 same on you
Nice to see Steve is still up to his usual antics. Had to remove his content from my life when the worthless LTT debacle went down.
One reason why you might want to run an old Xeon is for more cores, memory and monitors than a cheap modern solution will give you. I have a HP Z620 E5-2687W 8C/16T 3.1 GHz 32GB DDR3 with Quadro NVS-510 running 4 27" 1440p monitors. I run 6 browsers all day everyday and some desktop apps. Cinebench single core only 532, multi 5216. eBay May 2021 £300.
You can't put a Gen 3 card in a gen 4 slot with half the number of lanes and get the same result.
PCIE lane numbers matter, especially if you're grabbing last gen (PCIE gen 3) server kit for your cheap lab.
x16 SSD Carrier card (4x SSD – you did want to RAID, them right?)
x16 or x8 SATA HBA (for mass storage, because chipset sata ports are not what you think)
x8 server NIC
= 32/40 PCIE lanes
Also, TrueNAS … want ECC.
My homelab until recently consisted of 2 2500k machines and a 2400 machine. Found a couple 8th Gen i7 HP Mini pc's to migrate all my docker / vm's onto. Just need to sort something for storage now, but the difference in performance & power draw is insane.
Brace yourself: NVR (Blue iris) = 3rd gen Xeon. TrueNAS= 4th Gen. Backup TrueNAS = 5th Gen Celeron. Backup XCP-ng = 4th gen.
But my pfSense (j4125) and primary XCP-ng are basically new (all the goodies). They're doing all the work anyways 😉
I'm adding a Unifi protect to replace my BlueIris. Honestly, for basic file serving (I run VMs on gen4 nvme locally with NFS backups) I don't need more power. Do I want more? Yes. Will my homelab be a constant money pit? Absolutely!
3:55 "Hit up Gamers Nexus…" SAVAGE 💀 🤣🤣
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Even though the Xeon has more full PCI lanes directly to the CPU, the H670/770 and Z690/790 chipsets support a Gen4 x8 bus to the chipset, giving you some OK throughput if you're connecting a bunch of SATA drives through an HBA. For a primarily NAS machine and low VM usage, the 14100 is more than enough. And no wonky behavior from the big.LITTLE CPUs.
"Are you running a fossil like this in your home lab?" brah I got the whole museum in here.
I’m running two truenas core systems on a E3-1230v2 each. One with 16x 10tb and one with 8x20tb netting about 100tb usable each. Works great. Only limiting factor is the relatively small 32gb ram. When I upgrade it is purely for the added RAM, otherwise they work great.
Haha just upgraded from an i3770k to an N305 with no regrets. Shockingly how far we’ve come
Ive got a dual E5-2690 v4 system in my homelab, so 8 years old I believe. I just wanted lots of cores and memory for all my bullshit without spending too much money….relatively speaking.
Old $14 Xeon plus old GTX1060
For Plex jellyfin h265 streams
Or
$150+ Intel Core i3 13100 or 14100 plus the rest just for the iGPU 🤔
That monopoly money sponsored segment transition loool
Changed the title of the video because the Youtube algorithm is too stupid to suggest '4 cores then vs. 4 cores now' to the right people?
Spend the same money on the used xeon that you paid for the new intel and compare.
I have a Intel® Xeon® CPU E5-2650 v4 @ 2.20GHz for an Unraid server. I really notice the difference for uncompressing files compared to the Intel® Core™ i5-3470 CPU @ 3.20GHz i have running next to it when installing docker containers. the Xeon is a 12 core/24 thread proc, i wanted cores for VMs. I'm actually thinking of switching that Xeon box to a modern Core i3, so your video was pretty timely. I'll probably take the Xeon and start messing with Proxmox on it to be my Kubernetes lab.
As someone who just bought an E3-1271v3 to upgrade his NAS for the final time (before replacement), this shows me 2 things: I'm still getting good value for this $25 upgrade, and the next rebuild of that system will be night and day what I have now.
For the resolve thing I'd guess that's the motherboard. I had no problem with Resolve on a V3 Xeon in a dell system with both an AMD and an Nvidia GPU before I upgraded to my current system. Those old Xeons are also respectable gaming machines, not top of the line by any means but for 1080/1440 gaming they work pretty well considering the cost/performance. Gen 3 PCIE is starting to show it's age though, even for homelab stuff depending on what you do of course, but those pcie lanes are also a benefit as 20 on newer consumer stuff often isn't enough. For instance you might get bifurcation on a consumer board (not sure on those chinese boards) but you generally get it on a workstation or server board, and if you want to add more than say a HBA and 10gb NIC you are probably out of luck unless you get very specific boards. That said if your needs are minimal newer CPU's offer pretty good bang for buck from either AMD or Intel, especially if you can get away with some of the low power mini PC's.
Comparing a 10-year-old Xeon primarily used for servers and workstations with a modern i3 doesn't make much sense to me. Why didn't you use another consumer CPU from the same era, like the i7-4790K? It would have been a more sensible comparison of 10 years of generational improvements for 4-core 8-thread CPUs that everyone would have used in those respective time periods.
older i3's used to say that they weren't ECC-compatible on official literature but actually WERE since they filled a niche at the low end back in the day for edge gear – i wonder if thats still the case…anyways i wish you had tested it against liike a 12c/24t model from then which you can now get for still way cheaper than that i3! i didnt watch yet and i KNOW that i3 smashed the old xeon – what about a more cost competitive part though?
Ohhh yeah, you can totally game on a Xeon! Take 1 hand me down PC from the stone ages with a good ATX PSU and rip the guts out, add a $30 mobo, $20 xeon, bunch of old DDR3 RAM, and a very nice $69 RX580 and you can party like it's 1999, or maybe like 2013 but still 🙂
135 usd for 4c8t in 2024 feels borderline criminal to me, especially for a refresh of a refresh. Still cool to see difference between the two though.
I think this misses the main point when one looks at an older Xeon: value. A better comparison would have been to spend a similar total amount for cpu, mobo, and gpu, at the least. Or a similar total price for all pieces. For $20 cpu and $100 gpu (like a Tesla P4 or Quadro 600, or desktop GPU), you can probably 2-3x the iGPU in the i3.
I run a TrueNas Scale with Xeon E5-2695v2s in a SuperMicro SuperServer using 12 out of 36 HDD bays primarily for Plex with an Nvidia Quadro P600 for transcode.
I love your stuff! ROWL in da house! 😂
🙂 i have a first gen Xeon X3470 and an i7-870 and an i3-13100, they all are running and purring just fine in Windows 11 Pro and in Linux Mint, and sure the newer i3 is faster in Cyberpunk 2077 but all three cpu's can still launch the game, and sure the fps is lower but its not a stuttering mess either, all cpus can run the game just fine
why not test them both in windows 10? seems like an unnecessarily added variable
I am runnnng Dual Xeon E5-2680V4 in my primary server. Going to retire is soon for a i3-8300 server to save on power consumption.
I think you should compare a dollar/dollar matchup. You can Grab an E5 2687W-V4 with a cheap Chinese motherboard for around the same price as a new i3 with a cheapish board. Both support NVME the E5 would be Gen 3. 40 lanes is 40 lanes.
oh, sorry, i thought this was another "why i changed to a macbook" video
i like this content but really i think you need to shift to unlocking trunas – you want 256gb ram, you want 40g, you want 2 nvme for caching layers and you want 8-10 spinning rust or 6 ssd – can you please try to find best platform to support this spec sheet? maybe even older dd3 platforms will do fine and at a discount price – i think you can get 256gb ddr3 for a touch over 200 and dual port 40(56) cards are 40 bucks. networking is the weak link and major performance bottleneck i see many people skipping over – jumbo frames enabled and you should be good to go with linux which supports multi chan smb – keeping power figures reasonable may be a challenge….
but where are the level cache numbers?????
Great and interesting video as always!
As a headphone user though, I would recommend looking into your microphone settings and perhaps seeing if there's a sort of filter you can apply, as the background hissing and static is sort of distracting. Anyway, keep it up!
I think there are many people who run dinosaurs, my personal daily driver is an i5-3470 4 core 4 thread with 8GB RAM. I can only dream of more, but having said that, it still does the job 😃
For homelab, the PCIe lanes can be more important than performance.
I have 16c/32t of Xeon (e.g. Haswell style) v3 CPUs, with reasonable 3.2Gzh base clock…. and the cost differential is about the same (vs your i3, old is old, so cost can only go down so far). Geekbench 6: 1207 8732 CBr23: 13510 multi. While sure, there are deskside Xeons with QSV, not at the v3 gen. Also, I have 160G of that ECC ram, so get that for your i3, and we'll talk. And surprise, newer specs (usually) beat older specs. 2 gallons of water won't fit in a 1 gallon jug. You don't need a video for that.
My server is running on an old xeon x3440, and it runs my pfsense, plex, true nas scale and a couple more of apps without problems… but a little on the costly side of the energy bill
6:07 Who's gonna game in a 10yo Xeon? Until September 2023 when i upgraded to a Ryzen 5 5600, i used to run a supermicro server board with two Xeon X5650 as daily driver. So yeah, i was gaming in a 13yo Xeon platform.