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Should Pronatalists Restrict The Fertility of Some Groups?

Should Pronatalists Restrict The Fertility of Some Groups?

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In this thought-provoking discussion, Malcolm and Simone Collins explore the concept of behavioral isolation and its potential impact on the future of human evolution. They examine the differences between two distinct groups – the technophilic, industrially productive “elite” and the more…

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  1. You don't need to live in a "socialist system" for this to be a problem, just a democracy. Immigrants, their children, peolpe from nonproductive cultivars and so on all can vote, and if they have much higher birthrates (or you allow immigration from these groups), they will be able to exert a lot of power over your country through sheer numbers alone, irregardless of how productive or unproductive they are economically. Even Elon gets to vote only once

  2. The problem you fail to see is democracy. Parasite groups will always vote for those that promise more gibs. And if they are also high fertility, that's a deadly recipe. There also ends up being a vicious cycle, where politicians benefit and promote parasite groups, ignore their criminality, defend them of criticism through hate speech laws, and also bring more of them through immigration, so that they can more easily win elections and stay in power. This is happening throughout the West, with the cycle being triggered by the increasing domination of the woke cult over society, that introduced the moral incentive to start doing this, and relentlessly villainizes anyone who goes counter to it, keeping public opinion on their side. Native populations are being increasingly marginalized by their own governments, and victimized by their "pet electorate", with Anglo South Africans being an extreme example of what could eventually happen. Ethnic groups in the West will continue to have their territories conquered with the assistance of their own governments if nothing changes, until they're outnumbered and gradually killed off out of savage envy, the state turning a blind eye, and civilization collapsing into a primitive chaos similar to Haiti.

  3. While tech has certainly changed war, and armies are motorized. The infantry is still proven to be the backbone of a military force, especially when it comes to controlling territory. And physicality of your troops is paramount. So to disagree, in modern war your "fists" matter more today in some ways. Despite obesity issues, the average soldier today is taller, stronger, and carries a way higher combat load than the average soldier in WWII

  4. You guys don't address the rural urban divide in fertility enough. Cities have always been fertility sinks and in 2009, 50% of the global population was living in cities for the first time in history.

  5. 16:00 This explains why no one knew how to bar fight when i went from working class to top teir University. 😂 I was actively shamed for it, while in my previous upbringing it was celebrated. I was like, "what? I won.", met with concerned PC face women. Still slept with all of them. Guess i was exotic.

  6. Guys. GUYS….

    Surrogates.
    You want women to be both mothers and have a career?
    When you have Surrogate, you can be older and kids that are genetic derivative of yourself.

    And those Surrogates now got a taste of having kids.
    If that means they now want to be mothers, they have the route of later having surrogates.

    And when you have a surrogate for money… That drives it even better.

    When you have a single parent of either sex, by design, even two babies is now above replacement.

    And if your kids know they are expected to babysit for their siblings as adults, having two and more kids becomes much easier.

  7. Native Americans came to America no later than 12,000 years ago. Yet they are the same species as all other humans.
    How can speciation realistically occur in the next few thousands of years, between groups that share a country?

  8. One of the concerns of the 'tech-hesitant' is that as our tech advances exponentially, the 'reasonable' among its adopters will be scrambling to adapt to the changing environment responsibly and the race will go to those who wield that power in accord with their baser instincts. If it holds that the xenophobes tend to hold the reproductive advantage, why would that not hold true for those at the top of the technologically empowered scale as well?

  9. 25:20 i know this sounds bad but you guys are in fact Eugenacists. I understand that term has taken a dark term and youd probably get debanked for saying it however the differnce is you're "positive Eugenacists". Sterilizing, killing, and setting rules on other croups fertility is negative eugenics. Positive refers to wanting incentive one group over another. Although I still dont understand exactly what critieria you consider your favored group outisde of intelligence, its clear you guys are encouraging and setting up systems to help those that can help themselves.

    You cant say you dont encoruage specific types of people to have kids over others as you two have both said yourselves, that just jumping the gun and telling everybody to breed more and all women to have more kids, would be disasterous.

  10. There's a good book, by Edwin Black "War Against the Weak"(800+ pages).

    There the author explains – based in a very complete research – the origins and development of the eugenics mindset among the W.A.S.P. and British elites, from the end of XIX century to the WW2, basically.

    Curiously, the first person to be sterilized, under the eugenics pretense, was from a poor white family during the early 1900's.

    "Feebleminded" was the term used.

    Not necessarily mentally ill, but from lower class, with clear difficulties in verbal comunication, etc – low G factor, basically.

    The author is from Jewish heritage, so the focus was more on the protestant origins of this mindset (many leaders of the original anglo eugenic movement were sons of pastors – there're catholics that promoted it as well, though).

    There's another book, "Jewish Eugenics" that explores their perspective, but the author is more apologetic than descriptive of the phenomenon, when it comes to jewishness.

  11. Hello im a big fan. I watch your stuff daily. I am a frum jew in NY. You should make a video and give grades on how well you think different ethnic groups/countries do demographically in the future. Anyways have a great day.

  12. Simone & Malcolm, I have a question unrelated to the video! the Arabic subtitles on this video: is it AI generated or what?!!! It is really really good and it was turned by default..

  13. If country has social support system like Nordic countries, immigration will completly fuck up the country and ruin its tax payers lifes. Because tax payers money is used on immigration, instead of education and healthcare tax payers are paying tax for. And tax payers dont have as much their own money because of high tax rate, so most of them cant go to private hospitals and education compared to low tax societies.

    If country doesnt have social support and is like America, then immigration is alot more functional and economically sustainable.

  14. The clear logic behind not forbidding anyone from the opportunity to seek a reproductive future for the benefit of your own future safety and survival is a great example of how an obvious and correct interpretation of Christian teaching is missed by so many Christians. Not insofar as they are trying to forbid other groups from reproducing, but that they are so fearful of the outcomes.

  15. It's funny how Malcolm keeps hitting on this same key, this false dichotomy of "big brains vs big muscles". Like you have to choose between being strong or spend your time in on intellectual pursuits and you couldn't possibly do both. I lift heavy weights once a week, for about 1 hour to 1 hour and half and I'm pretty sure I'm at least 3 times as strong as you are, Malcolm, I mean literally, I'm 3 Malcolms worth in strength. It doesn't require a large time investment to not be a "pencil neck". He also likes to say there is no use for strength when you have technology. I mean, dude, do you even live in the real world? There are only advantages to be and to look strong, for a man. First: you are more attractive to the vast majority of women. Second: you are more intimating, which helps to keep thieves and other criminals away from you and your people, this also helps you with leading men, especially uneducated men. Third: strength is extremely useful in the day-to-day activities, you can carry heavy stuff around, you can fix stuff more easily with hand tools, you can pull a stuck bent wheel off with your bare hands (which I had to do once, and I would not be able to do it, if I wasn't strong). Fourth: you are healthier, your heart is likely to be healthier if you lift weights than it would be if you did no other physical activity, your body is stronger, if you get injuries in, say, a car crash or other serious accident, your body will better absorb damage than a weaker body would. There are only advantages to being strong and no disadvantages, unless of course, you are taking drugs, which I do not. You also talk about armed conflicts, do you really think the people serving any military are "pencil necks"? You understand that a large part of their job is to carry heavy stuff, including but not limited to, their own equipment up and down, right? You understand every man serving the army went trough a rough physical training, right? I suggest you stop coping with this and give it a shot, start lifting weights and soon enough I'm pretty sure your talk will change, dramatically.

  16. to be super, super fair to Vegas, its culture tends to stay up later and sleep in later – there is an entire community of casino/hotel staff working 2nd and third shift who are either asleep or still at work at 5AM. Outside of those people, Vegas is basically full of cruise ship people.

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